Joe Molloy

And Gerry Hutch, of course, was involved in the Corinthians Boxing Club.

Boxing was always his thing.

And in a way, I think Daniel Kinahan felt competitive with him and wanted to be bigger and better.

And he also has a self-belief.

He's into this sort of, you know, this, the matrix and all this sort of stuff.

So he believes, and I'd say he gets up every morning and tells himself, you can be this.

So he's a kind of a strange character.

So there was all that.

And then it started working for him because, you know, he wasn't,

in fair competition.

He was coming at the boxing and you look at the starts of MGM and all of a sudden, I was looking at it two years later, they've 100 boxers signed.

Most of them are, I don't know them, but some of them are obviously big names and where's the money coming from?

And they were being offered huge contracts.

They were being offered, you know, to live out in Spain with their families, etc.

So, you know, he started to get this success.

He got the feeling of a success.

He surrounded himself with yes men.

And all of a sudden, then he really wants to conquer the world and he wants to feel so important.

And really, he put himself out there center stage.

There was other events that happened, obviously, that brought together people to investigate him.