Joe Navarro

But we had some clues from one of our sister services from another country and said, we think this individual may be someone who you need to look at that is pretending to be an American. We're looking at the unit. We bring the whole team together, all six of us. And we're looking at the movie. And it was filmed. Just serendipitously, it was filmed. on Valentine's Day.

And so we see him entering a flower shop and leaving the flower shop. When he exited, I said, definitely he's not an American. You know, everybody looked at me like, excuse me? I said, he's not from here. And he said, how? And he says, look how he's carrying the bouquet. Americans carry the bouquet, bouquet up. Eastern Europeans carry it bouquet down. And continued to carry it that way.

And so we see him entering a flower shop and leaving the flower shop. When he exited, I said, definitely he's not an American. You know, everybody looked at me like, excuse me? I said, he's not from here. And he said, how? And he says, look how he's carrying the bouquet. Americans carry the bouquet, bouquet up. Eastern Europeans carry it bouquet down. And continued to carry it that way.

So I did what's called a presumptive. So we stopped him one day and I said, you know, I'm with the FBI. And I said, do you want to know how we know? And that was the first trigger I was looking for to see how he reacts to it. And he fell for it. And he said, go on. Most people would say, get out of here. Go away. And I said, it was how you carried the flowers. His chin came down.

So I did what's called a presumptive. So we stopped him one day and I said, you know, I'm with the FBI. And I said, do you want to know how we know? And that was the first trigger I was looking for to see how he reacts to it. And he fell for it. And he said, go on. Most people would say, get out of here. Go away. And I said, it was how you carried the flowers. His chin came down.

His eyelids went heavy. As he was evaluating everything he had done, you know, he had practiced everything. His English was immaculate. You know, he sounded like a Midwesterner and all that. After a few hours of having nice, really a nice chat, he agreed to work with us and admitted everything. What did he admit?

His eyelids went heavy. As he was evaluating everything he had done, you know, he had practiced everything. His English was immaculate. You know, he sounded like a Midwesterner and all that. After a few hours of having nice, really a nice chat, he agreed to work with us and admitted everything. What did he admit?

That he had been sent here by a foreign government, that his job as an illegal was to be in the United States, act as an American. And most people don't understand, well, why would a country, a nation state, spend so much money training these people to be like an American? And what they don't understand is their purpose here is for when hostilities break out.

That he had been sent here by a foreign government, that his job as an illegal was to be in the United States, act as an American. And most people don't understand, well, why would a country, a nation state, spend so much money training these people to be like an American? And what they don't understand is their purpose here is for when hostilities break out.

They can report on, for instance, train traffic, what trains are carrying munitions, what airports are being used for what purposes. Many times, as he later told us, they're given caches of explosives. so that they can then blow up certain things that no missile would be able to do. So that's their role in hiding in America. It's not to commit espionage.

They can report on, for instance, train traffic, what trains are carrying munitions, what airports are being used for what purposes. Many times, as he later told us, they're given caches of explosives. so that they can then blow up certain things that no missile would be able to do. So that's their role in hiding in America. It's not to commit espionage.

It's to be here in case hostilities break out.

It's to be here in case hostilities break out.

Correct.

Correct.

Well, he doesn't get punished because he didn't commit any crime other than immigration violation. But what he was able to reveal to us was nothing short of breathtaking. Which nation was this? I cannot say.

Well, he doesn't get punished because he didn't commit any crime other than immigration violation. But what he was able to reveal to us was nothing short of breathtaking. Which nation was this? I cannot say.

But obviously they would have to have enough money and enough interest to carry out an operation like this.

But obviously they would have to have enough money and enough interest to carry out an operation like this.

Well, let's define that. If they're hostile intelligence officers, it can be anywhere from 3% of the diplomatic staff to as many as at one time the Soviet Union, 85% of their staff were conducting espionage. I think numbers – so you have those. Now, if you're referring to like how many illegals, I would say at least you would have at least two dozen in the UK, maybe a dozen in France, and –