Joe Navarro
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And that is often the biggest problem for any nation state is the traders from within. And they had elevated espionage to an industrial level. I mean, to the point where they actually no longer even use 35 millimeter cameras to photograph the documents. They were actually videotaping them so that they could expedite the thousands of pages.
It was the most damaging espionage case in the history of the United States because they had compromised the United States nuclear go codes in Germany. And that left all of Western Europe exposed.
It was the most damaging espionage case in the history of the United States because they had compromised the United States nuclear go codes in Germany. And that left all of Western Europe exposed.
All of our nuclear assets around the world are controlled by two things. There is what's called a permissive action link, which is like a last minute safety lock on each device. And then there is the go code that says there is authority to use this weapon. Ramsey was able to steal this. the actual nuclear go-code. It's a card. It's made out of a special material, which I cannot describe.
All of our nuclear assets around the world are controlled by two things. There is what's called a permissive action link, which is like a last minute safety lock on each device. And then there is the go code that says there is authority to use this weapon. Ramsey was able to steal this. the actual nuclear go-code. It's a card. It's made out of a special material, which I cannot describe.
It's made out of special metals and plastics and other things. And the inherent danger in what they did was that Not that they could initiate a launch. That can only be initiated at the national command authority level.
It's made out of special metals and plastics and other things. And the inherent danger in what they did was that Not that they could initiate a launch. That can only be initiated at the national command authority level.
But if this were compromised and given to, let's say, the Russians at the time, the Soviet Union, this is before 1989, then a foreign hostile intelligence service could take that and replicate it. but put the wrong numbers in there. And by putting the wrong numbers in there, if it's in a pyramid structure and it's put high enough, right? Let's say you control all of the East Coast.
But if this were compromised and given to, let's say, the Russians at the time, the Soviet Union, this is before 1989, then a foreign hostile intelligence service could take that and replicate it. but put the wrong numbers in there. And by putting the wrong numbers in there, if it's in a pyramid structure and it's put high enough, right? Let's say you control all of the East Coast.
Maybe you don't want to spy for Russia, but for $100,000, let's say you were willing to slip this in there and take the one that's there out. Okay, so maybe that helps your conscience in some way. Then you basically, if it's a pyramid sort of schema, you can paralyze everything below that.
Maybe you don't want to spy for Russia, but for $100,000, let's say you were willing to slip this in there and take the one that's there out. Okay, so maybe that helps your conscience in some way. Then you basically, if it's a pyramid sort of schema, you can paralyze everything below that.
that at the highest level, then nothing would work if you had it accessed at the highest level. Did they go to jail? Oh, yes. Yeah. The shaking cigarette guy went to jail. 33 years. Let me just finish it by saying this. This case put all of Western Europe in danger as well as the United States.
that at the highest level, then nothing would work if you had it accessed at the highest level. Did they go to jail? Oh, yes. Yeah. The shaking cigarette guy went to jail. 33 years. Let me just finish it by saying this. This case put all of Western Europe in danger as well as the United States.
The general who testified in this case said that had hostilities broken out, the defeat of the West would have been assured within three days. That's how devastating this was. Yeah, let that sink in. Those are his words. The defeat of the West would have been assured because of the damage these individuals had done.
The general who testified in this case said that had hostilities broken out, the defeat of the West would have been assured within three days. That's how devastating this was. Yeah, let that sink in. Those are his words. The defeat of the West would have been assured because of the damage these individuals had done.
Yeah. A lot of times, it's just based on the behavior. You see how often somebody looks at their watch, right? But maybe when they're operational, they look at their watch more often.
Yeah. A lot of times, it's just based on the behavior. You see how often somebody looks at their watch, right? But maybe when they're operational, they look at their watch more often.
And they filmed this guy who we thought was what we call an illegal, and in the parlance of espionage, an illegal is someone who magically appears in the United States and pretends to be an American, has always been an American, like the series, The Americans.
And they filmed this guy who we thought was what we call an illegal, and in the parlance of espionage, an illegal is someone who magically appears in the United States and pretends to be an American, has always been an American, like the series, The Americans.
But we had some clues from one of our sister services from another country and said, we think this individual may be someone who you need to look at that is pretending to be an American. We're looking at the unit. We bring the whole team together, all six of us. And we're looking at the movie. And it was filmed. Just serendipitously, it was filmed. on Valentine's Day.