Joe Ogden

And of course, we are an outsourced sales agency, so that's something we rely on.

But I think for anyone out there who does want to do it themselves, I'd say use Apollo.

You can use it for a few different things.

It's really, really killer if you use it in the right way.

Number four, how many hours of sleep do you get every night?

Probably seven-ish, seven and a half.

Not bad in situation, married, single kids?

In a relationship, but no children.

Okay.

And how old are you?

34.

34.

Last question, Joe.

Something you wish you when you were 20.

I've been thinking a little bit about this and I think that something that I, I've always been very, very ambitious.

So I used to work in the music industry, but I've worked in software sales and I've always aimed for the top, you know, that's kind of relevant for this podcast, but I've always aimed for like the big names in the respective industry.

And actually when I've managed to get there,

I haven't necessarily had the best experience.

It's been a good learning curve, but I actually sometimes think that maybe I should have had my eyes set.

I don't mean lowering the bar, but I mean maybe not being convinced that I have to work for the biggest player in that respective industry.