Joe Ogden

So I'd say that that's the biggest problem that I see needs solving.

copying and pasting.

Guys, I already have it.

If you're an entrepreneur looking for your next thing, go build a tool, sell your first customer to Joe.

There you go.

All right, Joe, good stuff, man.

Let's wrap up here with the famous five.

Number one, favorite book?

Favorite book.

I've read a book recently by Malcolm Gladwell, which is David and Goliath.

And it really inspired me.

It's about kind of the underdog sometimes having more of an advantage than the big players.

And yeah, that resonated a lot with me.

So I'd recommend that book to anyone.

Number two, is there a CEO you're following or studying?

Actually, I mentioned Scribbly, but the founder of Scribbly, Dani Bell, I think she's maybe, I think she's still at the company, but I think she's done a great job of really sort of pioneering content as a service and kind of, yeah, pioneering that movement really.

And I think that company has grown really quickly and I think it's really cool.

Number three, what's your favorite online tool for building a business besides your own?

Well, I'd say the tool that we rely on the most is Apollo, and that's for data building.

That's for sequencing.