Joe Payne

So a crash plan has been around for a long time.

So the previous, uh, founders raised money from Excel in 2012.

And that was the only round that they did.

And then I joined in 2015 and then raised money in a B round in 2015.

But I think that round was $85 million.

And we used that money.

We were pretty cash flow.

I run what I call the East Coast offense as opposed to the West Coast offense, which is you pretty much spend what you have to grow your business as opposed to...

overspending early, you know, early.

So we try to run it.

So we've been pretty capital efficient throughout the process and we'll continue to try to be that way.

Now, one, I'm still, I'm still the same person that was trained 10 minutes ago, Nathan.

So I'm not going to tell you all that stuff.

Our, our, our, our EBITDA,

is still being affected by the separation of our two businesses.

So we just sold that business last year.

So we're still working through some of that stuff.

We'll be a consumer of capital this year.

But again, we're careful of how we use our money and how we use our resources.

Well, I think it's really all about the size of our business today.