Joe Payne

They don't have the capability just to listen to small companies like us, steal our ideas and go execute them better than we do.

And so I'm always telling people like, you know, get in there, make sure they know what you're doing and how they're doing it.

So I do that with with strategics and people that are in our space because you never know those partnerships are going to come.

But I also like to meet with the private equity people because they have great insights and

You know, Vista is probably the largest software company in the world today.

So they're a great company, you know, to hear how they're thinking about business and to hear how they're thinking about, you know, how to manage their companies is super interesting.

Well, I was around when we heard for the product that we sell today.

I was absolutely around because the only product we have today is Insider and we hit our first million in revenue about four years ago.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I was here when CrashPlan was a $50 million company, but I wasn't here when it was a $25 million company.

I don't know if I answered your question.

I just finished Infinite, whatever, on Sam Bankman Freed.

So that was good.

But I also just about right before that, I just finished Covenant of Water.

So I would recommend that book highly to people in the tech industry, even though it has nothing to do with tech.

It's all about India.

And there's so many folks of Indian descent in the tech industry.

I found it to be a great read.

You know, I'm following Jamie Dimon more closely than I normally do because of the larger economic issues.