Joe Rogan

It just hasn't been done correctly.

Right?

Horrible reality because the compassionate, kind people want a safety net.

You want a social safety net.

But making people reliant on that social safety net and then having generation after generation relying on that social safety net, you stifle all growth and development.

You make people dependent.

Well, this is my fear, my great fear about the concept of universal basic income.

Yep.

That we're going to essentially make an entire civilization dependent upon its overlords.

I can't see how it could go well either.

I think if you're a nice person, you're like, well, all these jobs are going to be replaced by AI and automation.

We need to find some way to help people and give them the quality of life that they need to succeed.

But you're making them dependent on the state forever.

But is it possible that we can move past the idea that...

providing people or a person being able to provide themselves with shelter and food, which is essentially what we're saying with universal basic income.

We're saying you will have enough money to have shelter, you will have enough money to have food, and you could acquire basic goods.

That this is not really what we should be working towards in life anymore, and that it's possible to find some other purpose, goal, or task that would replace those things, and money would just be

It would just be a thing that you're using to acquire the means to survive, and now you pursue this other thing, maybe not necessarily for a monetary reason, not necessarily to acquire wealth, but instead to educate yourself as a process of human development.

a skill that you're learning, a thing that you're competing in, something.

Right.