Joe Way

really showed that.

I always knew it, but it really showed it.

And it's great to have an institution where I work at that really is supportive of that.

We work so close with our teaching and learning center, so close to our facilities management, our CISOs office, our data lake house, all of these other groups are like, we love this.

How can we do this together?

And I think, you know, going back to the previous episode, because there was so much technical debt and everyone is trying to move forward,

Also, it came at a time where it was like everyone knew something had to happen.

And if we can all do this together, we can all save money and we can all come up with a better product and we can all bring better services to our campus community, then let's do it.

So understanding that sometimes you got to go all the way to the point where you have to blow it all up in order to blow it all up and do these things.

But that's kind of where it ended up working for us.

Yeah, yeah.

No, no, no.

Great, great, great point.

You know, again, I was very blessed and I came to UCLA as part of our, you know, re-imagine IT thing where it was, you know, we did a full reorganization of the organization.

The point where, again, we knew that something had to get done.

Um, so with that, I already knew kind of where I wanted to go.

I knew with my peers, I have an incredible peer group.

Um, it is also the advantage, you know, another lesson learned.

Every institution needs an AV person at the highest level of the university.

I sit on the entire working group that has our, you know, vice provost on it.