Joe Weisenthal

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Odd Lots podcast.

I'm Joe Weisenthal.

Today, you're going to be treated to a special two-part episode.

We are here in London, and so we wanted to learn about the business of pubs, of course.

And so we're bringing you first an interview with famed publican Oisin Rogers.

He is the co-founder of the pub, The Devonshire.

And then in the second half, that will be an interview that was recorded live at a show that we're doing here in London with the chef at The Devonshire, Ashley Palmer-Watt.

You know, we've talked about this before.

Some of my favorite episodes, and I mean this completely unironically, are when we talk to people in the food service industry in some way, because I truly think that, you know, what we specialize in, which is sort of where the macro meets the micro, etc.,

There are so many, whether it's labor costs, food costs, consumer sentiment, consumer appetites, et cetera.

There are so many things that only someone in that specific industry gets a real view on at any given moment.

And so since we're in London, you know, a lot of the same restaurants, a lot of the same things.

But of course, there are a lot of pubs here and we don't have as many in the U.S.

And to the extent we have them in the U.S., I think they're not the same.

They're like fake, right?

They're like the replicas, they're bars that have the aesthetics of a pub.

Yeah.

It seems tough.

Supposedly, Gen Z, they don't drink as much, which I think, but that can't, you know, that doesn't explain why that would have been a trend in, say, 2002, right?

There was another headline recently.