Joe Wiesenthal

Got to go to Lisbon, Paris, Brussels.

That's three.

we really need we need to make a we need a european tour we need a uh we need to make this a recurring spring trip to london there was so much in that conversation that was interesting i do think so i do think martin hit on something and it's funny because this came up in our conversation from last year as well where we were talking about the dollar reserve system and the idea that like yes okay there are downsides to having the world's reserve currency but there are also a lot of

upsides, including being able to run a massive fiscal deficit.

But his point that it's difficult to understand why so many Americans in particular are so aggrieved as to want to blow up an existing structure

that compared to the rest of the world seems to have benefited them enormously.

It's I love his point about the sort of like and it raises some questions about the short term future, like just a few years from now.

So what is the Trump coalition, for example?

There's a really big difference between the AI-focused Peter Thiel world versus some of the people who would like a world to go back to the 1950s and so forth.

Another thing that I hadn't really appreciated until he articulated on the Europe question.

You know, when we joke about the EU and they love their documents and their reports and their studies and regulations and stuff like that.

But there's sort of not just, okay, let's put in some mechanisms to avoid –

World War II again or something like that, but the complete exhaustion of ideology.

It's such an interesting framing.

It's like every time we've gotten into some new ideology, it ends terribly.

So it's like, let's make the attempt of creating a post-ideological super state somewhere.

It's such an interesting framing and I don't know, maybe that's an experiment with a finite time span.

I guess we'll find out.

Shall we leave it there?

Let's leave it there.