Joe Wiesenthal

You know, one thing I think like, should there be maybe philosophically, maybe in practice, like-

Would it go along well with the revived Christianity in Europe?

Because when I think about secular liberal Europeans, one thing is like nobody goes to church.

But historically, a lot of liberal ideas were co-located, so to speak, with Christian ideas, particularly around sort of like equal rights.

And there's a lot of framing there.

Could that underpin or could that be a tailwind for a sort of reinvigorated Europe if it found that sort of spiritual vector again?

I wasn't expecting this conversation to be so state-centric in many ways.

But since we've gone in this direction, and since, again, we're talking about the long arc of history here and society, can you talk a little bit about the impact of AI on, if we think about the social contract between a state's population and its political authority, what does it mean when work starts to be automated, when maybe culture becomes more automated?

I realize this is a very general big picture question, but if anyone can respond to this, you can.

Well, Dune references were also not where I was expecting this conversation to go, but- Science fiction is better on this sort of stuff than anything else.

We should get a list of recommended sci-fi books from Martin and put it in the newsletter.

We'll follow up with you afterwards.

Martin Wolf, another amazing conversation.

Thank you so much for coming back on All Thoughts.

We'll chat with you again next spring.

Joe, that was fascinating.

Indeed.

I feel a little bit like I was back at university getting a history lecture.

I also just realized since we've come to London from Madrid, we could hit maybe four, I want to say four more European cities and get a complete European colonial tour.

I would love to.