Joel Lorenzi

Um, if you are like, I am, I don't want to speak like I'm a judge of character, but if you're a team and you're filtering what kind of guys you want to bring in a building and what you want to be part of, um, I imagine that's like a red flag for you.

Um, and that stuff was, that stuff was public.

That was out there.

And I, I don't know what the Bulls had access to, but I can confirm like Detroit media did happen to deal with, um,

talking to him and the word fornicate being used with him and things of that nature.

Yeah, and I've tried to remove myself as much as possible.

For what it's worth, we never really even got to know him, I'd say, as the Bulls beat.

I mean, because he was available twice while he was a Bull.

The one time, and I wasn't there the first time.

was in Toronto on a day of the deadline when he joined the team.

The second time was the, I guess we can call it infamous now, the 10 minute interview he did after he picked up a DMP on February 19th, I believe.

And that was when I think we got as a beat the sense that like, okay, like this is kind of who he is, where you mentioned like,

you know, conversations and interviews are quickly derailing into him, sort of like,

kind of just, I don't know if infringes the word I want to use.

I mean, it's a word JB Biggerstaff used, maybe not in describing Jayden's actions specifically, but he was just, those are his general comments after being asked about Ivy.

We got the sense in that interview, like, okay, there's kind of, to this extent, he's almost infringing his beliefs upon us.

He's using words like repent and stuff like that and sinner, which we've seen in the past week.

And we're just we're asking about his DMP.

I mean, to like to use his own words, he thought it was his first DMP of his career, which is probably true.

And so, like, and that night, and we wrote this in the story this week, that night he kind of expressed this, like, distaste in the idea that we were, like, singling him out.