Joel Lorenzi

Maybe a little earlier than that, but around this past year, for sure, when it was clear.

So it's certainly, there's a lot of nuance to this that we can spend an hour on, but the bottom line is,

Michael needs to be more accountable in that his idea of a clean slate is not attractive to that many people, frankly.

Like I said, I've already talked to people

who've outlined what the priorities would be for the average decision maker.

And it's kind of conflicting with some of the sentiments Michael has.

Right.

So I mentioned this earlier a little bit, but like ownership, resources, authority, right?

Like, I know the spin right now is like the clean slate, 65 million in cap, and you're starting with Modest Booz Ellis and all these things.

Like, the real appeal here is that they're in the East.

that the expectations are low, which is, like, that's kind of depressing already.

But, like, ownership, resources, and authority.

And you're listening to what Michael's saying, I imagine.

You're looking at, well, hey, historically, they don't go into the luxury tax.

And now you're hearing, well...

This thing might come with a coach already picked out for me.

Like, I think you need, if you really truly want to clean your slate and you want to invite the kind of risk and innovation that really gets these kind of things going, you need to let them paint their own canvas, man, and make their own.

risks and mistakes and successes and pick out the margins themselves and start truly at a level like don't get me wrong i still think there's hires that they can make with these caveats that would feel more or less like home runs but you're just you're limiting your pool when you outline these caveats before the process even starts so joel i i i've come to this conclusion tell me if you agree

Sure.

I mean, I think it's very unlikely at this point, especially now that the AK and Mark are out.