Joel

He is the senior legal affairs reporter for Politico.

Good to see you, Kyle.

Thank you so much for joining us.

Good to be with you both.

Kyle, so a lot of legal developments happening now with respect to Minneapolis and Minnesota.

Let's go and put this first tear sheet up here on the screen.

Trump and Bondi statements fuel the legal case against the Minnesota surge.

At a hearing Monday, a judge focused on the letter the attorney general submitted.

Can you give us an update here on the legal arguments in the case as there's a new effort by Minnesota authorities to stop the ICE operations in their state?

Can we put the next one?

I just set you up, Mac, on the screen.

Kyle, you were reporting this morning that the judge, the chief federal judge in Minnesota, has ordered the head of ICE to appeal personally in court Friday and threatened him with contempt.

Kyle, I do want to ask about this chances of that lawsuit on Minnesota that we began with.

And then also we began our show kind of talking about Trump backing off, you know, at least in Minnesota rhetorically.

At a legal level, what are the things you look for to back that up, to see a change in posture under Donald Trump?

Like, what should we all keep an eye on?

But it depends on how true the rhetoric really is.

Right.

Yeah, that that seems to make sense.

And then importantly, you know, you were talking there.