Joel

Well, I mean, what's fascinating to me is also the media angle on this.

So for those who don't know, getting a sit down in the Oval is not that easy.

Everybody wants one.

OK, so I've had to do this a couple of times.

It's a game and you kind of got to sell it.

And it is stunning to me that Trump and his press secretary disagree.

that the way that this guy got in, because remember, you know, the New York Times just went in there.

The only reason they got in there is because Trump is obsessed with the New York Times.

The Oval Office, every once in a while, you know, the Wall Street Journal or somebody like that will be able to get a sit down.

But it's not all that common in this administration.

So the fact is, is that the way this guy got in there is he was like, I want to talk to the president about his health.

And of course, to Trump, this is the opportunity for him to flex with the doctors and with the press secretary and to talk about

how phenomenal he is in the midst of all these questions about, you know, his hand, his health and his aspirin.

So even from a media angle, it's amazing because no season comms person would ever tell you to do this.

This is purely Trump himself who is obsessed with the questions of his health and painting this picture, uh,

around it.

And the fact is, is not only did it work, you know, on behalf of New York magazine, but the quotes from this are I mean, they're just amazing.

They really are.

Because you also can just see I encourage you guys to go read it because we can't read it all to you.

But, you know, listen to this from Marco Rubio.