Joey Avery

Exactly, because this is him trying to square it.

But the people you're talking about kind of did something different to try and unwind something they did.

It seems like what he's doing is all kind of in support of his continued power consolidation.

Yeah.

And he's I think it was at Stanford.

He wrote something that was kind of like anti like he doesn't really believe in democracy or the nation state.

He does have this very bleeding edge of like tech founder ism like we should exist outside of borders type shit.

Yeah.

Epstein coded, but I digress.

Isn't it interesting?

Because I do too.

I have no illusion that if he was in the room and we were having this conversation, I don't know.

I probably would have definitely done less gay jokes.

And then I also think that he probably would have had interesting retorts to all the things that I had to say, but it doesn't necessarily make him right.

No, he might not be right.

Thank you very much for having me, Mark.

Always good to be back.

And yeah, please check out my comedy special, Joey Avery Live in San Francisco, or check out my podcast, The Joey Show, and I'm on tour, joeyavery.com, touch the cities up.

And if you want, I'm gonna force Mark to start something called Drunk Camp where I make him drink beers and then we do a podcast and then go out in New York.