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The Secret Antichrist Running the Government

10 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

0.031 - 12.243 Mark Gagnon

There's a good chance you believe that billionaires are trying to control the world. But what if one of them thinks that he understands the end of the world? Well, today we're diving into the mind of Peter Thiel.

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Chapter 2: Who is Peter Thiel and what is his background?

12.263 - 30.45 Mark Gagnon

He's a PayPal founder, the Palantir architect, and one of the most powerful figures in all of tech. And now he's giving these secret invitation-only lectures about the Antichrist. And there is no one better to talk about this episode with than my good pal Joey Avery. Of course, he grew up in California in the Bay Area. He knows many of these Silicon Valley tech guys.

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30.59 - 46.739 Mark Gagnon

And we're gonna be talking about this same dude that built tools that can track the entire population. Yes, how Palantir actually works and how it is being rolled out. We're also going to look into Peter Thiel's claims that the Antichrist isn't actually the devil, but maybe it is the system that controls everything.

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46.759 - 60.363 Mark Gagnon

We're going to talk about Peter Thiel's company Palantir and basically how it is built to literally surveil every single person in our entire society. We're also going to talk about how he's funded a lot of political campaigns and a lot of the other work that he does behind the scenes.

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And we'll talk more broadly about the PayPal mafia, this infamous group of billionaires that started at PayPal that have gone on to build basically every tech product that we use today.

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Chapter 3: How does Peter Thiel view the concept of the Antichrist?

70.435 - 89.45 Mark Gagnon

But what is Peter Thiel talking about? Is it just philosophy or is this some type of prediction for the future? Well, today we dive into all of it. So sit back, relax and welcome to Canada. What's up, people, and welcome back to camp.

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89.57 - 103.889 Mark Gagnon

My name is Mark Gagnon, and thank you for joining me in my tent, where every single week we explore the most interesting, fascinating, controversial stories from around the world from all time forever. Yes, that is what I do in this tent. I try to get to the bottom of everything that's going on in the world. And there's a lot of stuff going on. It happens every single day.

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But before we go any further, I just want to say a few things. One, thank you so much for clicking on this video, because every time you click comment and like, you keep the lights on in the tent. You keep the fire burning here at the campsite. Also, I have great news. We have an inner sanctum. Yes.

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If you thought this tent was as close as you could get to the action, well, you can get even closer. Gather around the campfire, and that campfire is at patreon.com slash campgagnon. And it's also probably the best place if you want to get additional content from this show. If you want to do monthly live Zooms where we all just hang out and talk shit.

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135.508 - 149.287 Mark Gagnon

And if you want to connect with more people like you and feel more like yourself, that's probably the best place to be. You're also going to get a good chance to talk with the man to my right. His name is Christos Papadopoulos. How are you? What? All right, Christos, look, we don't have time, okay? If you want to talk to people, you go to patreon.com. You can talk with them there, all right?

149.307 - 167.856 Mark Gagnon

I'm not going to let you hijack this show to do that. All right, all right, all right, all right. So, guys, we have an amazing episode, all right? We're going to be doing a little deep dive on a man that is, I mean, probably going to take over the world if he hasn't already. His name is Peter Thiel, and there's no person better to do this with than the man in front of me, Joey Abraham.

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Great to be here, Mark. You know, it's always nice being in the tent.

171.586 - 176.68 Joey Avery

Obviously, I'm here promoting my special, Joey Avery, live in San Francisco, one of the best specials of the year.

177.02 - 191.791 Mark Gagnon

Some are saying check it out right after this episode. This is not about Joey's special. This is about Peter Thiel, okay? and figuring out the tech oligarchs that run the world, all right? Where's the special going to be? It is on YouTube right now. You can watch it.

Chapter 4: What is the PayPal Mafia and its significance?

195.777 - 202.727 Christos Papadopoulos

All right, dude. That is fun. Don't do that to Christos. He's a good guy. He is a good guy. What the hell is wrong with you? I'm just making myself.

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203.027 - 206.111 Joey Avery

It's been a while since I've been in the tent, so I'm just making myself comfortable.

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206.131 - 211.898 Mark Gagnon

It's good to be back. It's been a long time. I apologize it's been so long. The last episode we did, we talked about Haile Selassie, The Most High.

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212.159 - 212.459 Christos Papadopoulos

We did.

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212.739 - 238.108 Mark Gagnon

And the comments were pretty good. I mean, let's go through some of the mean ones about you. Let's go through. Oh, French for Seal said Joey's the best. Oh, that's nice. That's nice. Okay, what else? Oh, this is gold. That's kind of nice. Ja Rastafari, King of Kings, conquering the Lion of Judah. Yeah. Wow. Joey actually pronounced a lot of their names correctly. Wow.

238.188 - 258.441 Mark Gagnon

You know, that one even surprises me. Yeah. They did not expect that. No. Me neither. But yeah, it seems like the feedback was pretty good. You know what? Oh, the best duo in podcasting history. Wow. This is not what I was expecting from internet comments. That's very nice. Me neither. I was looking for meaner ones, to be honest. Yeah. I was doing some research on Peter Thiel recently.

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Because he's, yeah, this man right there. What a looker. Yeah, he's formerly of the PayPal mafia, and he's the founder of Palantir Technologies. And also in the running for least hot gay guy of all time.

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Okay.

273.991 - 282.101 Mark Gagnon

Yeah, I mean. Maybe he's got a body. I bet you he's got a body. He might have a little bod on him. He's got it, right? He might be a glory hole legend. I don't really know. I'm just saying.

Chapter 5: What is the definition of the Antichrist according to the discussion?

3053.592 - 3084.873 Mark Gagnon

Now, do you know what the Antichrist is? Via context, pretty easy. The opposite of Christ. The opposite of the Uncle Christ. Uncle Christ? Not the Antichrist. Oh my God. Guys, that's not bad. That is bad. That's not bad. Maybe you need a joke writer. Give me your Francis Bacon immediately. I liked it. I liked it. Yeah, no, no, it's good. It just took me a second, dude.

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3084.893 - 3087.877 Mark Gagnon

Yeah, see, you're projecting. You're mad at me because you didn't fucking get my genius.

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Chapter 6: How does Peter Thiel's ideology connect to the concept of the Antichrist?

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That's all it is.

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The Antichrist, see, now you're like, I do be thinking about it. Okay, auntie. The Antichrist. Yeah. Is the false Messiah who appears before the second coming of Jesus Christ. Yeah.

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Referenced in John, Thessalonians, Revelations, also referenced in Muslim and Islamic eschatology, this idea of the Dajjal that basically comes back and does effectively the same thing prior to the return of Jesus Christ To then kill the Yajuj and Majuj, to then usher in ultimately the Day of Judgment where all people go back to Jannah with Allah.

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3126.62 - 3127.022 Joey Avery

Yeah.

3127.508 - 3127.908 Mark Gagnon

You knew that.

3128.689 - 3133.034 Joey Avery

And it's a good concept because people can trot it out and throw it at a lot of people.

3133.314 - 3133.554 Christos Papadopoulos

Yeah.

3134.015 - 3136.698 Mark Gagnon

Doesn't he throw it at Greta Thunberg? Which is the funniest part.

Chapter 7: What role does fear play in the narrative surrounding Palantir and global governance?

3229.133 - 3235.401 Mark Gagnon

Everyone's going to love the Antichrist apparently. Right. I don't know if that's possible. No. Who does everyone love?

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3235.421 - 3236.262 Joey Avery

No, yeah.

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Keanu Reeves? Keanu Reeves is the Antichrist?

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3239.007 - 3246.958 Joey Avery

The second everyone loves you, your Brian Noh moment will happen. We don't want to love people.

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3247.019 - 3263.401 Mark Gagnon

This is kind of why you have to build them up and tear them down. You kind of need to appreciate the haters of the world. Right. Because they ensure that no one is the Antichrist, and if there's no Antichrist, then there's no end of times. No, that's a take. That's genius, right? Yeah. Thank God for haters. Shout out to the haters. Give me a fucking guest spot on one of these lectures.

Chapter 8: How do Peter Thiel's actions reflect on his views about technology and democracy?

3263.441 - 3277.277 Mark Gagnon

Come on, Pete. Shout out to the haters. Come on, Pete. The classical understanding of the Antichrist is that it's a singular evil individual. It's just one guy that comes back that embodies, it's basically Satan that embodies the opposite of Christ, but unites all the people.

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Now, people obviously will debate on the specifics, but there have been alternate versions, and this is kind of more what Peter Thiel takes up, is that the Antichrist is a pattern or a movement or a system. So, for example, 1 John 2.18 says that there are many Antichrists to come, and many Antichrists have come before. Basically, that it's an organizational structure of people. Mm-hmm.

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Now, Thiel's version, and this is kind of paraphrasing from his essays and stuff, is that the Antichrist may not be a person, but it is the system. And it is a global government structure, which is an interesting point that he says it's a global government structure that takes control through exploiting fear.

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And exploiting fear around AI, modernity, technology, and that framing these things as existential threats is actually the most damaging thing you could do. And that that is Antichrist ideology. Because it's hampering his technology, which is actually based on the reverse fear. Right.

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3337.415 - 3361.994 Mark Gagnon

Which is the fear of everything else, and that's why you need to give total control to his all-seeing eye of data and whatever. Perhaps. He's more skeptical of mainstream climate discourse. Those are the things where he's like, this is where the antichrist actually is, that people are going to surrender freedom and privacy and autonomy to someone that comes around and promises safety.

3362.516 - 3364.521 Christos Papadopoulos

That's what he does.

3365.429 - 3380.433 Mark Gagnon

Look, it's a little pot calling the kettle my brother. As they say. But it's like he's creating. It's a little Michael Richards calling the pot, whatever he calls it. Whatever comes to his mind when he's having a bad set.

3380.453 - 3381.615 Joey Avery

Whatever, he's riffing.

3382.016 - 3393.93 Mark Gagnon

That basically is like, look, some guy's gonna come around and be like, AI's gonna destroy you. The climate's, you know, the world's on fire. How about yours? Yeah. That's the way I like it.

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