Johan Derksen

By the way, that's been going on for a while, namely the new BTW system where you have to pay your tax return.

1.5 billion per week, I read.

Exactly, 1.5 billion per week, so 80 billion per year goes through there.

And that has to go to a new system, because it has now become a very old-fashioned system.

And this morning there was a story about in the AD where actually all experts say...

This will be very left-wing, because this is all in the hands of the Americans.

They can put a stop to that.

And then we will have 1.5 million a week that we miss.

Then the ministry came up with a story that was all right.

The servers are here, they said.

And then I also asked that new state secretary, Ehrenburg, the replacement of Nathalie van Berkel, who had to leave.

I asked afterwards, how dangerous is this actually?

The new BTW system has been developed by a software company that is American.

But the servers are in Apeldoorn, the people who set it up are in Apeldoorn, the people who work with it are in Apeldoorn, the data of the taxpayers are in Apeldoorn.

So we looked very closely at, okay, it's an American company, but we focus on Apeldoorn and we looked very closely at the safety of it.

How much influence does that American company have on those servers?

No, those servers are just from the tax office.

They are in Apeldoorn, but we do make sure that we do it on their Apeldoorns.

On his Apeldoorn.

But that's called Fast Enterprises, that company.