Johan Derksen

They do the software, the execution, the maintenance.

And they do the management in the meantime.

After this story, I called GroenLinks PvdA member Barbara Kapman.

Where Dave, Cybermannetje, of course, is such a fan of.

We also talked to him for a while.

And with Bert Huber, also the cyber expert.

And they all say this story, that's not true at all.

Because he says, yes, Apeldoorn, Apeldoorn, Apeldoorn.

But it doesn't matter where those things are.

Because if it's from America, the law goes so far, they can always be there.

That doesn't happen, but you don't know if that situation is happening.

So they can always be there.

Point two, the ministry says it's in our control.

But that's not true either.

No, that's not true, because the management is theirs.

I've been looking at that offer, or the request, as it were.

And it just says that the company and the management and the management.

And it is under the supervision of the tax office.

Yes, but I'll explain it again.

Under the supervision of the tax office.