John A. Gentry

Yeah, and the Chinese actually have a different, and I think in many ways, well...

they're all sophisticated.

It's a different kind of sophistication.

Their messaging is not so much, you know, us against them, you know, we're going to break NATO, we're going to break the EU for purposes of supporting Russian national interests.

The Chinese have a more diffuse system.

They're trying to not destroy the system and put in their own, but kind of mold it in a way

in their own kind of way.

They use information operations in a very different way.

So you've got millions of Chinese students, for example, around the world at universities.

They're all assets of the Communist Party of China, the Chinese Communist Party, the CCP.

So, by law, they are subject to direction, to gather information, to disseminate information.

They've got a massive operation here that is a very different sort of thing than the old Soviet system that was run by the KGB, for example.

Similarity is what?

You're using sophisticated means, long duration, lots of different venues, and you're trying to convince target countries to do things differently politically in ways that benefit you.

Well, for example, one of the things that's been done around the world, there was a big effort in the United States.

There's been some pushback on that.

They create what they call Confucius Institutes at universities, and now they actually have a variant of that that's going to secondary schools around the world.

Last I looked, which was a little over a year ago, there were about 500 of these still in existence around the world at major universities in Western countries.

So the goal here is you create a Confucius Institute.

So Confucius, famous Chinese cultural person, at least he's famous in the West, but wasn't a Marxist.