John A. Gentry

But the ultimate goal was for this new communist state in North America to be subservient to Moscow.

That was the Soviet goal.

Russian's different.

So Russian's goal, what?

They want to have restoration, they want to recreate the grand and glorious Soviet and Russian empires.

So they don't need the United States to be destroyed.

They just need the United States to be out or abandon or break NATO, because it's NATO that's protecting Ukraine and protecting the West Europeans, who by many standards, I think including Putin's, are relative pushovers, with a few exceptions, the Swedes, the Finns.

They're tough cookies, but some of the others are not worth worrying about.

So you want to destroy U.S.

support for NATO and for the general North Atlantic community because that community is your enemy if you're Vladimir Putin.

How about China?

Well, the Chinese, the experts say, the Chinese are not trying to mess with Ukraine.

They're trying to say, we are rising again.

And we need to take our proper place in the world.

We're far and away the biggest country, with India moving, you know, a big country.

And self-evidently, our political system and our long-term culture and so on are superior to anything else.

So what we need to do is reshape

world organizations in ways that are Chinese.

And we will guide, not control, but guide the renewed, the evolved, if you will, international system.

So again, their goal is a little different than the Russians'.