John A. Gentry

Whoa, you know, slap in the face.

What in the world is going on here?

So what happened then was that that opened the floodgates, and you began to have more formers first.

Again, former intelligence officers, known as formers.

So Mike Hayden very quickly was involved in this.

Hayden, a retired Air Force general who had been the director at CIA for a while and at a national security agency as well.

And eventually there were several dozen of these people.

And the leaks started in the fall of 2016 and continued throughout the Trump presidency.

Yeah, so that's a good point.

I think, and I looked at this, researching on the book,

Where did this happen?

Again, one of my three big questions.

In the early days, it was at the ODNI and at CIA.

ODNI, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

So this is the relatively small administrative organization that was directly controlled by Jim Clapper, the DNI.

Does FBI fall under that?

Only the counterintelligence part of it.

So to back up, and here for background, and good to say this.

For a long time, the DCI, the Director of Central Intelligence, supposedly was not just the director of CIA, but was the director of the whole community.

Well, basically that didn't happen.