John A. Gentry

So for a fair amount of time, Trump's DNI was Dan Coats, who was a former senator from Indiana, had spent time on the Senate Intelligence Committee, knew a fair amount about intelligence.

But he told Bob Woodward in one of these interviews,

He said, well, you know, it's a tough job here in the DNI, and I needed to focus on important things.

So, again, if I remember the quote about Wright, he said, what I decided to do is be Mr. Outside, quote unquote, Mr. Outside, and I will worry about intelligence interactions with the White House, with the Congress, and so on.

And I will leave the internal running

of the ODNI and then the IC as a whole to Mrs. Inside, quote unquote, who was Sue Gordon.

Sue Gordon was a career CIA officer who was a compatriot of John Brennan.

So the Brennan policies continued internally within the ODNI.

So Coats was not concerned about this.

At CIA, you had first an outsider who was there for a year and then went to the State Department.

And then for the last almost three years of the Trump administration, you had Gina Haspel as the CIA director.

Haspel was a career CIA operations officer.

Well, the last person in the world you would expect to do radical change on CIA is a career CIA officer.

And she didn't.

She didn't do anything to alter this.

The diversity office has stayed.

They moved down a level, so they were originally put in.

So there's a big one, CIA level.

Then there were some subordinate ones for the directorates, the five directorates of CIA.

And then I understand they were even moved down one level before that.