John A. Gentry

And I think vaccinations were a goodly part of that.

Okay, so my view is that probably the vaccine situation is different than defund police.

And the kind of program that we've just been talking about, going back to Obama in 2008, long preceded the COVID vaccination issue.

Oh, yeah.

Okay, so I take your point.

I would make a different argument.

So I know the number of people who were let go from the military.

I mean, there was some concern there.

I think a bigger issue in terms of demoralization and something that clearly had an ideological agenda to it was the stand down movement

In early 2021, SecDef, Secretary of Defense Austin ordered to give training and so on to everyone in the Defense Department, military and civilian.

to try and keep them from being radical right-wing terrorists of the January 6th group.

And I think we know now, I mean, the Defense Department hired the, what was it?

I guess it was IDA, the Institute for Defense Analysis.

said, so this is one of the federally funded research and development centers in the Washington area.

These are not-for-profit, technically capable organizations that do research for the government, including a lot for the Defense Department.

So IDA did a number of surveys

and looked at the Defense Department broadly, had access to the Defense Department, said, hey, do you have a right-wing terrorist problem in the Defense Department?

And they said, no, we don't.

So they said, no, there's nothing special here outside of what might exist in the country as a whole.

Well, a report was issued, unclassified report was issued to the Defense Department, which sat on it for,