John Ashbrook

No, I don't know that that is the only mental element. I don't know enough about the facts. I don't know enough about the facts.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, the first thing I would do, Megan, is you order at a Raymond's. Go ahead, Mark.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, the first thing I would do, Megan, is you order at a Raymond's. Go ahead, Mark.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, the first thing I would do, Megan, is you order at a Raymond's. Go ahead, Mark.

Yeah, just save the tape. Go ahead, Arthur.

Yeah, just save the tape. Go ahead, Arthur.

Yeah, just save the tape. Go ahead, Arthur.

At a Raymond's. At a Raymond's. I haven't been in this position before. I've represented someone who I don't know, Luigi, but this guy, I got him. I got him the insanity defense without a trial. prosecutors agreed.

At a Raymond's. At a Raymond's. I haven't been in this position before. I've represented someone who I don't know, Luigi, but this guy, I got him. I got him the insanity defense without a trial. prosecutors agreed.

At a Raymond's. At a Raymond's. I haven't been in this position before. I've represented someone who I don't know, Luigi, but this guy, I got him. I got him the insanity defense without a trial. prosecutors agreed.

So you do what's called a 730 exam, right at arraignments, which means when he's incarcerated, doctors who work for the city of New York and under the supervision of the judge examine him. And that examination isn't about his mental state at the time that the crime took place, but his mental state at that point to see whether he can represent himself, to see if he can help in his own defense.

So you do what's called a 730 exam, right at arraignments, which means when he's incarcerated, doctors who work for the city of New York and under the supervision of the judge examine him. And that examination isn't about his mental state at the time that the crime took place, but his mental state at that point to see whether he can represent himself, to see if he can help in his own defense.

So you do what's called a 730 exam, right at arraignments, which means when he's incarcerated, doctors who work for the city of New York and under the supervision of the judge examine him. And that examination isn't about his mental state at the time that the crime took place, but his mental state at that point to see whether he can represent himself, to see if he can help in his own defense.

If a judge says, this kid doesn't even know that we're on on the planet Earth. He thinks we're on Mars. He just gets warehoused and keeps getting evaluated until that happens. So he's not out on the street. He's in a facility with bars and chains. But then at times, if you find, your expert finds that this person is so...

If a judge says, this kid doesn't even know that we're on on the planet Earth. He thinks we're on Mars. He just gets warehoused and keeps getting evaluated until that happens. So he's not out on the street. He's in a facility with bars and chains. But then at times, if you find, your expert finds that this person is so...

If a judge says, this kid doesn't even know that we're on on the planet Earth. He thinks we're on Mars. He just gets warehoused and keeps getting evaluated until that happens. So he's not out on the street. He's in a facility with bars and chains. But then at times, if you find, your expert finds that this person is so...

just really is not in touch with reality, you could then bring him into the DA's office. Their expert or experts evaluate that person and they can agree to, all right, we're not going to put him in prison. We're going to put him in a hospital prison. And statistically speaking, this is why you don't usually want to do that.

just really is not in touch with reality, you could then bring him into the DA's office. Their expert or experts evaluate that person and they can agree to, all right, we're not going to put him in prison. We're going to put him in a hospital prison. And statistically speaking, this is why you don't usually want to do that.

just really is not in touch with reality, you could then bring him into the DA's office. Their expert or experts evaluate that person and they can agree to, all right, we're not going to put him in prison. We're going to put him in a hospital prison. And statistically speaking, this is why you don't usually want to do that.

Statistically speaking, on murder cases, you spend more time incarcerated in a hospital prison than you do if you pled guilty to 22 years to life and you're up for parole at 22 and then at 24 and then at 26 and then at 28. Yes, you wind up spending more time incarcerated. A lot of these times, Megan, they really are, I hate to use the word, like crazy, but they are really crazy. Like, it's scary.