John Burn-Murdoch

And yet the conversation about the gender divide, typically there's a premise that what's happened is young men moving to the right.

That they become Neanderthals.

Exactly, exactly.

And again, the thing I find striking in the context of the earlier...

in the context of our discussion about birth rates and relationships, is that the data show that men, well, fathers, are doing a larger share of domestic work and childcare than ever before.

Now, again, we're not at 50% yet, and that may never happen, but the average man is actually...

by any measure we have, a better partner or potential partner than we've ever seen in the data.

But as you say, there are still genuine extreme cases which social media amplifies, which means that there is always evidence that someone can point to legitimately as an example of men being terrible.

So I completely share your frustration that...

both with the narratives overall and the fact that it's so tricky to talk about this in a way that doesn't lead one to get attacked for suggesting that there is sort of exaggeration going on.

I think it looks relatively similar.

So some of this is a function of political systems and which sort of parties are available for people to support on the left and right.

So in the UK, we now have this fragmented system where you see women more likely to vote for the sort of radically progressive Green Party and young men more likely to vote for the radical right reform party.

But we do by and large see a pretty similar pattern on both sides of the Atlantic.

And that for me suggests that

this is a broader sort of shift that's happening.

I'd also emphasize that the sort of English speaking world has its own corner of social media in a way that was much less true before we had social media.

So 15 years ago, young men and women in the US would have been consuming very different media to young men and women in the UK.

Today, there's a huge amount of overlap.

And