John Curtice

hear Starmer or even Kemi Badenoch trying to pretend this was anything other than a night of pain.

But it does strike me that this wasn't an election in the traditional sense of the word.

It was more of an arson attack.

You know, what has happened in recent years, very effectively for both Farage and

and I guess increasingly now for Zach Polanski, is you go around the country and you ask people if they're happy.

And you say, if you're not happy, then burn it down.

Burn down the system.

Burn down the establishment.

Burn down the people who've been in politics for this long up to this point.

And people have gone, yes, we will.

In other words, we are now a country that believes it's better the devil you don't know than the one you do.

The worst thing you can be right now

is part of the establishment, right?

And so everyone who has got a history of political experience, be that Labour, be that Conservatives, be that Starmer, who, you know, as Director of Public Prosecutions has been in the system for decades, they are now tarnished.

And even though Farage, you know, we all know Farage has been around the block for

in many incarnations, many iterations, many name changes.

He's managed to convince people with the sort of streak of an evangelist that he is the newcomer.

And I guess the question really for reform, and there's some quite interesting numbers beneath the service, and one of the places that...

Peter Kellner, formerly of YouGov, has been looking at is that reform look as if they've absolutely dominated the country, certainly in England.

They have.