John Curtice

But he thinks they'll be worried that this time last year they had a 41 percent share of the English vote.

Now it's more like 33 percent.

You can't see that because you just see huge swathes of their success there.

But possibly they're coming off.

And there is a question of how long Farage can carry on being the neophyte, carry on being the outsider.

As soon as he gets portrayed as part of the establishment, then maybe it's all over for him.

And I would just argue that is a bigger problem than a problem for Keir Starmer or a problem for Labour, because it basically means we hate political experience of any colour, any shape.

Right.

We're done.

And I'm sorry.

Well, we have in the sense that Brexit broke everything.

Right.

So he did it in a sense in 2016.

He did it a decade ago, which opened the way for... And we've seen reform overnight and today perform much better still in Brexit voting areas.

Sure.

I would suggest it's not that simple.

Really?

Yeah, I would.

And I'll tell you why.

Because when Liz Truss took over from Boris Johnson, Keir Starmer was the one who repeatedly called for a general election.