John Curtice

If they have to become the people that are part of the structure of local government, let's see what happens in two years' time.

They are rolling the dice.

The economic change that they cried out for was Brexit, which has actually made us hugely, hugely worse off.

Right.

So exactly the same people.

And so I do think that it is very difficult.

Which I think is helpful, weirdly.

If what had happened overnight was that people had gone, we're done with Keir Starmer and Labour, we're going back to the Tories.

And actually, there is some sign.

I think the Tories...

seat loss rate was 68% last year.

That's much lower this year.

So, you know, they're having green shoots.

But it's not like people have gone, okay, we don't like Labour policies, we're going back to Conservative policies.

They're saying, we hate all of you who've ever been in power, close to power, around power.

within the establishment.

We just want people who break things now, right?

Which is, it's why I keep saying this is an unsustainable model for our entire democracy.

Because Farage... It's already broken for them.

Yeah, but this is what we're saying.