John Curtice

It's the same thing.

They're going to the party...

that is not actually saying, I will do this, this and this, right?

We don't know what, apart from immigration, we don't really know what Farage's plans are for local government.

We literally don't, right?

He's, what did he say last week?

We're going to put, you know, migrant detention centres in everywhere that doesn't vote reform, right?

I mean, is that why people voted reform?

You know, according to Luke Trilley, he says, actually, that was the point at which people started looking at them and going, that's not very grown up.

That's a bit stupid.

That's actually pretty, you know, un-British.

It's not something that a serious political party says.

People aren't looking for serious politics at the moment.

They're trying to tell everyone that they're really hurting.

And I understand that, but let's wait and see what they actually come up with.

So go on then, what is that?

Well, I don't know, but given the Iran war... But it's interesting because every time I've listened to... Every time I've listened to an interview this morning and I've heard somebody from the Labour Party, somebody from government, try and set out what they're actually doing and the interviewer has always cut them off and said, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's not working, nobody wants to vote for you, right?

And so in a way, like...

And we're probably as guilty as this.

We don't talk that much about government policy.