John Curtice

We don't talk that much about the things that are actually being done.

And maybe that is about the message and communication.

I'm not here as a pretender for the Labour government, but I am trying to say we've got to a place where we just want to shout and scream at everyone without actually listening.

And I think that that's... So is it about personality then?

Are you saying optimism?

Some tenants.

I think they probably are.

I mean, frankly, I think they probably are.

I think this is going to take, what,

Four months, but I think by October we will probably be there.

Exactly.

So they've been going wrong.

Yeah.

And Andy Burnham may have a bit of the David Miliband to him, right?

Somebody who sort of goes towards the flame and then sort of backs off.

I mean, we've seen that a couple of times with Burnham now, right?

I think there probably is still a fire there.

And I think he's probably just trying to choose his moment well.

But if I remember back to David Miliband and Gordon Brown, right?

He kept on saying something must be done.