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John Daniel

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The Agency
Treachery

And so Aldrich Ames is able to pass that on to the KGB.

The Agency
Treachery

Which brings us to this little nugget which so surprised me.

The Agency
Treachery

He did another operation of Jamie's too.

The Agency
Treachery

So remember, this is Jamie Mercer, not his real name, the guy who was my mother's boss on the Russia desk at the SIS, who I knew as a kid, and who specialised in recruitment.

The Agency
Treachery

Yeah, that's my understanding.

The Agency
Treachery

I didn't see it myself.

The Agency
Treachery

But if Aldrich Ames, a CIA traitor, is able to blow one of his operations, it might well have been the one that earned him that Christmas card every year.

The Agency
Treachery

In any case, it is pretty interesting, but given all we've heard, perhaps not that surprising, that Ames seems to have had access to details of an operation that involved New Zealand's SIS.

The Agency
Treachery

Now, the story remains sensitive.

The Agency
Treachery

Kip Bennett doesn't want to talk to us about this because he says it's not his story to tell.

The Agency
Treachery

And while it wouldn't be news to any of the intelligence services involved, the people themselves are civilians and they wouldn't want their story out there.

The Agency
Treachery

This is a job where manipulation and deception and a certain amount of cynicism all go with the territory.

The Agency
Treachery

But it doesn't necessarily mean there's a moral equivalence between the two sides.

The Agency
Treachery

From Bird of Paradise Productions and RNZ, this is The Agency.

The Agency
Treachery

You expect the opposition to be acting against you.

The Agency
Treachery

But if your own people do it, the blow is that much harder.

The Agency
Treachery

Not just because they've had access to your secrets, but also because it spreads fear and mistrust.