John Deloney

Right.

Right?

And you have two in my, and John, you jump in at any time.

In my mind, you have two frameworks of conversation only.

It's, here's how I feel, and here's, I've just been thinking about the future, wouldn't it be cool if?

And so you're just painting, you're painting cool visions of the future that you see.

Man, I just, I can't keep thinking about like, wouldn't it, I just keep thinking about what it would feel if I didn't have debt, and if we didn't have debt, and I was actually thinking about that, and that would feel amazing.

Right.

So all you're sharing is your feelings and your vision.

Nothing that she has to do.

Nothing that she has to change.

It's just you talking about you.

Yes.

Yeah, and Dean, I'm going to send you a copy of my book, What No One Tells You About Money, because it does a good job of, you know, when you're dealing with a framework like the baby steps, it shows how some people feel versus how other people feel.

And I think it'll really help you get an insight as to the way she might be feeling, and it'll help you pinpoint how you might be feeling.

And I think that's just really going to be good for you.

Now, obviously...

When it comes to the debt, when the time comes, when she's ready, when you're ready, yeah, I'm going to recommend the baby steps all the way.

And we're going to make sure you're set up with every dollar.

That's our wedding gift to you.