John Gafford

And one of them is gone and one of them's knighted.

So that's funny how the world works, I guess.

What made Elton John the worst person you've ever met?

You know, it's funny.

When the whole Iran thing kicked off not too long ago, one of the funniest, obviously it's not funny, it's a conflict, but this was funny.

Somebody was staying at one of the hotels in Dubai and gave them a one-star review, and it just said, terrible missile defense system.

for the hotel to buy.

I thought, well, that's fair.

That's fair.

I mean, I don't think they were planning on needing one, but yeah, it was a fair point.

So like you just mentioned it, man, that, you know, when you're a musician, especially in those time in the eighties, you know, cocaine's pretty prevalent.

And, uh, and that's something that, that is, was it more of the booze or was it more of that or a combination of the two that kind of got you?

So when you first stopped drinking, though, did you have to do medical detox?

I mean, that's a lot of booze, and you went cold turkey like that?

Yeah, I went cold turkey, yeah.

Oh my gosh.

So what you do now is very different from the 12 step program that you were going to write those meetings or what it was, or, or was this John person teaching you something different around that or.

Well, let's break this into two different categories.

First, I want to talk about obviously addiction because I think that's where you got started.

And then we'll talk about just success and we'll talk about just changing patterns that people use that defeat themselves.