John Gafford

Well, I like to say that all great entrepreneurs are chronically unemployable. So that's not a surprising part of that story whatsoever. To be great at this, you just can't be able to work for somebody else. It's part of how it works. So you said you were doing this and then you branched into software. You said it's a long story. Good news is we got time.

So how did you make the, so that was the first pivot was into software?

So how did you make the, so that was the first pivot was into software?

So how did you make the, so that was the first pivot was into software?

What was the functionality? What did it do?

What was the functionality? What did it do?

What was the functionality? What did it do?

Dude, you know what's funny? I'm going to tell you something funny about that particular story you just told, which is one of my best friends is the founder of a company called VShred, which you've probably seen on all of your social media. And his partner in that business is an English kid that he met exactly the same way.

Dude, you know what's funny? I'm going to tell you something funny about that particular story you just told, which is one of my best friends is the founder of a company called VShred, which you've probably seen on all of your social media. And his partner in that business is an English kid that he met exactly the same way.

Dude, you know what's funny? I'm going to tell you something funny about that particular story you just told, which is one of my best friends is the founder of a company called VShred, which you've probably seen on all of your social media. And his partner in that business is an English kid that he met exactly the same way.

I don't know if it was Fiverr. He just met this kid in England that was gifted with ad buying. And he was a kid. And he was just like, why don't you move to America? Let's take a shot at this. There you go. And here we are now. They have a billion-dollar company. So, yeah, pretty impressive what they were able to do. But just literally the exact same story.

I don't know if it was Fiverr. He just met this kid in England that was gifted with ad buying. And he was a kid. And he was just like, why don't you move to America? Let's take a shot at this. There you go. And here we are now. They have a billion-dollar company. So, yeah, pretty impressive what they were able to do. But just literally the exact same story.

I don't know if it was Fiverr. He just met this kid in England that was gifted with ad buying. And he was a kid. And he was just like, why don't you move to America? Let's take a shot at this. There you go. And here we are now. They have a billion-dollar company. So, yeah, pretty impressive what they were able to do. But just literally the exact same story.

So I guess if you're listening to this, if you want to start a great business, you got to find a high school kid in England because this is the second time I've heard this story. It's literally the second time I've heard this.

So I guess if you're listening to this, if you want to start a great business, you got to find a high school kid in England because this is the second time I've heard this story. It's literally the second time I've heard this.

So I guess if you're listening to this, if you want to start a great business, you got to find a high school kid in England because this is the second time I've heard this story. It's literally the second time I've heard this.

Yeah. So what was the idea? Who came up with the idea for the current company, the current iteration of what you guys are doing? Yeah.

Yeah. So what was the idea? Who came up with the idea for the current company, the current iteration of what you guys are doing? Yeah.

Yeah. So what was the idea? Who came up with the idea for the current company, the current iteration of what you guys are doing? Yeah.

So when you say that you... When you say... you get paid for everything. So who's writing the check for this? Like who's actually paying? Obviously it's advertising, obviously, but is it the, is it individual advertisers or the people that actually own the services that are being used? Because then they're making money on advertising.