John Gafford

You can walk around.

So-

This is doing gangbusters with the memory thing.

And then you make the leap into the weight loss arena, which doesn't really seem, that seems like a pretty, like it's one thing for Tony Little to go from the gazelle to now I have this workout thing.

But this is like apples and oranges, right?

From one to the other.

Right.

So where did you, where did you run into trouble first?

So my first, okay.

So did you ever look, we're going to put our tinfoil hats on now, which cause this is definitely affected you.

Did you ever start like trying to trace back the origin?

Oh, I know where did this complaint start?

And then look at the donors to that.

I mean, he obviously went to prison.

But the thing about it is, is now you look at what's out, you look at what Robert F. Kennedy is doing with artificial dyes, you look at all this stuff and Pepsi.

It's all in my book.

And peptides are everywhere.

Everything is in my book.

And berberine.

So my point was, if this book came out today, nobody would even blink at it.