John Gafford
👤 SpeakerAppearances Over Time
Podcast Appearances
Like what, like celebrity is a very dangerous slip with that.
And I think that's why when you see people, uh, lose that status or lose that celebrity, they go spiraling.
I, that stuff because of that.
And I think, uh,
If you didn't get wrapped up in that, like how, like how?
Because like you go from like, and I'm just saying, because I had this on a microcosm, right?
Because I was on a reality show.
I was on The Apprentice with Donald Trump.
And while that show was on, I was super famous.
Yeah, they were season one.
I was season three.
Right, right.
And as you remember, knowing those guys, we were super famous for Rancic.
Very, very famous.
Right?
And then you're not.
You're not famous at all.
You fall off a ledge.
And so I had a little bit of a personal experience with that, of getting wrapped up a little bit in that persona thing.
And I'm just wondering, how do you not do that?