John Gafford

And we just crushed it.

But to think that that kind of an arrangement

that there could be these programs that were just buried, that millions of people needed.

I mean, okay, I'm listening.

I got my tinfoil hat on.

I get it.

And I can definitely see why at that time, you know, with the relationship and the correlation between the health industry and the U.S.

government, I can kind of see why they wouldn't want that information.

I got to tell you, just from hearing this story so far, right, I got to be honest.

So one of my fraternity brothers, if you just recently saw there was a documentary on Netflix called, I think it was Pill Dealers, about the opioid epidemic and how they did that.

One of the guys that was a sales manager for one of those companies in South Florida that was pushing those pills like crazy is one of my fraternity brothers who did go to jail.

And I had him on here and I was, you know, obviously it's not the same sort of thing, but here's a guy that did time in federal prison because of this thing.

And it was very much, you know, it was easy to see where he was at fault.

I'm not seeing that.

Like I fully expected to come in here and have you like, well, there's a class action suit and this happened and these people got injured.

And then, yeah, maybe there was some stuff that was taken out of context, but there's none of that in this story.

So isn't that 37 still showing as unpaid debt?

So you go away for 10 years, and obviously- I did eight and a half.

Eight and a half.

So it wasn't a full 10.