John Gafford

And I'm assuming this was not San Quentin you were in.

Well, I started off- It wasn't pleasant.

There had to be a time, though, when you're sitting there where you're like, okay, it's a matter of reflection where you look back at how you were living before and said, I wish I would have done that differently.

When you were in, what year did you get out?

When did you get out?

2021.

2021.

So you're already kind of, while you're in, you've got to be watching the climate change about the things that you're really sitting in jail for.

You're watching the opinions and you're seeing the stuff come out where people are talking about Berberine and they were talking about all of these different things and

HCG and peptides and all of that stuff, TRT, all this becomes this huge fad that you can get done and everybody's talking about it.

So when you first got out, what was the first, like you had to have a plan, like, okay, I've decided this direction.

I'm going to go, yes, the world is your oyster.

What is the first direction you chose?

Were there, you know, I just, I'm thinking about that scene from,

was it wall street, like a sequel, not the original wall street, but the sequel, like when Michael Douglas walks in a restaurant and talks to people that he used to know after, you know, he's out of jail and not know no longer who he was.

And there was like moments of like, where it's like, Oh, they kind of ostracize them.

When you, so when you, when you say they took your companies, did you lose the rights to like the memory?

I mean, look, it's a story, obviously, of huge adversity that you've managed to come back from.

What do you think is it about you that allows you to have such a positive outlook through all of these things?

You mentioned something earlier.