John Gafford

We're talking about, you know, motivating yourself and we talk about business and entrepreneurship.

And so I didn't do that.

But I see some of my friends that will get like some crazy person on their podcast that says something insane and it does very well.

And they're like, oh, let me go find the next crazy person.

And I think that...

One of my biggest problems with this country is I think we're going through this.

I've never seen the movie.

Of course, you have your filmmaker, Idiocracy.

Yes.

Like, I think we're living that.

I think we're going through the dumbing down of America at a rapid, rapid rate.

And anything I can do, I don't want to be part of that.

I want to produce something that is thoughtful and helpful and educational and entertaining at the same time and not just shock value nonsense.

So, well, let's talk about that.

So when you're talking, obviously to generate that, there's gotta be a call to action that sends them somewhere.

Is that better in the comments below?

Do you, could you coach your clients to have a CTA during the podcast?

What do you do?

I think we need completely separate channels for a lot of what we do.

Just a lot of it has just got to be set because it's so different.