John Gafford

Like, what are you doing?

No.

Dude, listen.

Number one, anybody that wants to tear anybody else down, especially publicly in front of a microphone or on a camera, it's because you're not tearing them up.

You're tearing them down, which means you perceive them as higher on the social status than you are.

So yeah, anytime somebody starts trying to rip somebody else down publicly like that, it's because it ain't about this person.

It's about you.

It's about them being a reflection of something you're lacking in your own self.

So no, I don't think there's ever a place for that.

Do I think there's a place to challenge ideas?

Do I think there's a place to maybe...

I think there's a place to, you know, obviously challenging ideas in that sort of things.

And you can say like, hey, I heard this person say this and I just, you know, I see it differently.

This is maybe I'll see it.

When you start attacking somebody personally, which this was a very personal, like saying this person who's an absolute savage in business was just full of shit.

Wow.

And I was like...

where is this coming from?

And they got eviscerated by the actual person.

Absolutely eviscerated.