John Gafford
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But I don't see that as a win, man.
I see that as, is that really what we need?
Like, I think people get so like, that's one of the things I'm going to tell people.
And I, hopefully you're telling people this too.
stay the course.
Like you said, why do this?
Because you want to be known, like, and trusted.
Exactly.
Like I know who Jerry Springer is.
I don't, I wouldn't trust that dude to tell my story.
I wouldn't trust that dude to be on a mic for him because I know that, that, you know, obviously he's gone now, but you know, the whole format of that show was to exploit you for clicks.
Right.
That was the whole purpose of that.
It's kind of like that.
You know, you look at the, the Dr. Phil thing.
Yeah.
He was original doing it.
And then Dr. Phil takes a lot of heat.
Cause it's like, are you really trying to help people?
Or are you just trying to exploit these problems?