John Gafford

That was the first one.

So, so, so when that happens and that flops, what don't you just say, well, I'm not doing that again.

But yeah, I know you're not getting money.

Oh, man.

I love that you said that because one of my favorite sayings that actually I came up with was, you know how they say that rough seas make good sailors?

I always say I'd rather be an average sailor than a pretty good meteorologist.

I think you save yourself a lot of trouble if you do it that way.

So he said, you're not getting any money.

So it's 20 years old.

The dressing failed.

So I'm guessing in one of the things that makes everybody that I know that's a great entrepreneur, a great entrepreneur is they're chronically unemployable.

Like they're just, there's no way they could work for somebody else.

What point in your life did you figure that out?

Oh, so that'd be pyramid scheme.

That's a pyramid scheme.

Okay.

All right.

So, I mean, look, I mean, you had the benefit of like YouTube and all that stuff that was out there, but it wasn't like it is now.

I'm sorry.

Eighty-seven.