John Gotti Jr
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But right before he comes into the room, two FBI agents dip into the room. And I'm looking at them, and they're dressed in suits, comes over, and they identify themselves. They're from the Springfield Mass Office, and they hold their hand out. I shake their hands. I shake their hands. And he says, Mr. Gotti, we're going to be sitting in on the visit between you and your father.
But right before he comes into the room, two FBI agents dip into the room. And I'm looking at them, and they're dressed in suits, comes over, and they identify themselves. They're from the Springfield Mass Office, and they hold their hand out. I shake their hands. I shake their hands. And he says, Mr. Gotti, we're going to be sitting in on the visit between you and your father.
And I says, I don't think so. And he says, well, I said, look, I don't have a problem with you sitting in and listening. My father won't sit in a room with you people. I'm just telling you ahead of time. I'm a gentleman in this respect, but he's not going to be in this respect. I'm just telling you right now. He says, well, we're going to have to.
And I says, I don't think so. And he says, well, I said, look, I don't have a problem with you sitting in and listening. My father won't sit in a room with you people. I'm just telling you ahead of time. I'm a gentleman in this respect, but he's not going to be in this respect. I'm just telling you right now. He says, well, we're going to have to.
And all of a sudden, like on cue, now I hear the chains coming and he comes in. And he sees me and he smiles. He's all shackled up. And I'm heartbroken. I'm crushed. I see him now. It's the first time I saw him. I have his face is missing and, you know, I'm crushed. And I'm looking at him. I'm just staring at him. And his belly chained and taking the chains off his feet.
And all of a sudden, like on cue, now I hear the chains coming and he comes in. And he sees me and he smiles. He's all shackled up. And I'm heartbroken. I'm crushed. I see him now. It's the first time I saw him. I have his face is missing and, you know, I'm crushed. And I'm looking at him. I'm just staring at him. And his belly chained and taking the chains off his feet.
And he looks over and he goes, he gives me a smile and he goes, who are these two gentlemen? And the fellow walks over, how are you doing? I'm special agent such and such. My father says, pull your hand back. He says, what do you want? He says, we're going to sit in. Take me out of here. Take me out of here. He's backing out. He says, John, it's great seeing you.
And he looks over and he goes, he gives me a smile and he goes, who are these two gentlemen? And the fellow walks over, how are you doing? I'm special agent such and such. My father says, pull your hand back. He says, what do you want? He says, we're going to sit in. Take me out of here. Take me out of here. He's backing out. He says, John, it's great seeing you.
These men can never sit in the room with me. He backs out. And then the captain jumps up and says, no, no, no, no, no. We have an order. We have a court order. Courts, federal judge Barrington Parker, nowhere in this order does it say you're to be in this room. You have to leave. This visit has to proceed. It's a 90-minute visit. It's allowed, authorized by a federal judge. You have to leave.
These men can never sit in the room with me. He backs out. And then the captain jumps up and says, no, no, no, no, no. We have an order. We have a court order. Courts, federal judge Barrington Parker, nowhere in this order does it say you're to be in this room. You have to leave. This visit has to proceed. It's a 90-minute visit. It's allowed, authorized by a federal judge. You have to leave.
And they left. And he wouldn't even sit in the room. He wouldn't even sit in the room with these individuals. He wouldn't sit in the room. And at that visit, that's when I had the opportunity to hug him. So at that moment, they left the room. They unchained my father. A lieutenant stood in the room with the tripod for the camera because he had to operate the camera.
And they left. And he wouldn't even sit in the room. He wouldn't even sit in the room with these individuals. He wouldn't sit in the room. And at that visit, that's when I had the opportunity to hug him. So at that moment, they left the room. They unchained my father. A lieutenant stood in the room with the tripod for the camera because he had to operate the camera.
And I was allowed to walk around the table, and I was allowed to give him one hug, which I didn't want to let go. And then I went to my side of the table, and I had to sit, and we had our visit. We had our 90-minute visit, which was memorialized by that tape, which the government refused to acknowledge that it even existed. until I was about to be granted a hearing.
And I was allowed to walk around the table, and I was allowed to give him one hug, which I didn't want to let go. And then I went to my side of the table, and I had to sit, and we had our visit. We had our 90-minute visit, which was memorialized by that tape, which the government refused to acknowledge that it even existed. until I was about to be granted a hearing.
And then they started turning over evidence that I knew they had, stuff that they had. What made that visit so important was the fact that he opens the conversation, some niceties, and I'm telling him, you know, he's talking about a surgery, and then you look great, John, and I'm saying that, but why this, why that? And you could see I'm a bit emotional.
And then they started turning over evidence that I knew they had, stuff that they had. What made that visit so important was the fact that he opens the conversation, some niceties, and I'm telling him, you know, he's talking about a surgery, and then you look great, John, and I'm saying that, but why this, why that? And you could see I'm a bit emotional.
and then he goes on to tell me about how he feels a man should comport himself and so on. Then he goes and says, well, Joseph says John wants closure. Now, Joseph was an attorney who came to see my father and basically gave my father my message. Now, if I tell you I want closure, Pat, what would you take that to mean?
and then he goes on to tell me about how he feels a man should comport himself and so on. Then he goes and says, well, Joseph says John wants closure. Now, Joseph was an attorney who came to see my father and basically gave my father my message. Now, if I tell you I want closure, Pat, what would you take that to mean?
Would you take it to mean that I want closure, I want to move on with my life, I want to do something different with my life?
Would you take it to mean that I want closure, I want to move on with my life, I want to do something different with my life?