“Should’ve Had Him Killed” - John Gotti Jr Finally OPENS UP On His Father, Gravano & Gambino Family | PBD Podcast | Ep. 519
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Let me tell you about John Gotti. This is who he was. If you hurt anybody close to John that he loved, there was no way he wasn't going to hurt you.
What happened to Frankie and what influence did that have on your father?
A transit authority cop stops him. He pulls out the gun and kills the cop.
Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah. Did Gravano tell you how he became a rat? You would never call him that to his face. Sammy said, once a mafioso, you're a mafioso for life. Is he still a mafioso, he thinks?
I've never seen anything like this. It was magnificent to watch. Have you ever seen that recording? Yeah, I have it. I have it, and we used it as evidence in our trial. The United States government is the most powerful entity in the world. Will you agree? For sure, yeah. I beat them. They played fair in the first trial. The second trial, now the gloves came off, and they got dirtier and dirtier and dirtier. And this is what they did.
That's a very interesting twist right there.
Once and for all, let's end this madness. This is crazy. I mean, the Gottis are the most tried family in history, and I'm the most tried Gotti.
After six to seven years of speaking with John Gotti Jr. 's camp, he finally agreed to come and do a long-form podcast, and it wasn't one hour, not two, three and a half hours. On top of that, he brought a folder this big with a stack of documents of himself, of Sammy the Bull Gravano. He was not complimentary at all with Sammy the Bull Gravano, and Sammy and I have done many podcasts together, Mafia States of America. I told him about some of the questions. Hey... If you're saying all these bad things about Sammy, why is it that your father put him as an underboss? Isn't that on your father? You have to kind of hear his answer. Then his case about when he met 40 Minutes with the feds years ago, he got criticized for meeting with feds and cooperating, and he gave his argument. He showed all the documents. on when he did it. You'll be able to decide for yourself. I asked him an interesting question about how his father would have felt about him meeting with the feds when he spoke to them for the 40 minutes.
You have to hear the answer he gives. Then there was a couple moments where he got very emotional and we talked about his youngest brother, Frankie. I asked him about a lot of different folks. John A. Light's name came up. His answer is very surprising. It's not what you would have thought he would have said about him. And many others we talked about, the history, New York today versus the past, the two presidents he was very complimentary about, his family, himself, what he's doing now since he's been out for 15 years, how aggressively – how negative and critical he was about the U.S. government and the RICO system. We talked about that a lot. Anyways, it'll be a historic type of a interview where, when I mean historic, if you've been watching the other interviews in the past of the mobsters I've had on, Michael Francis, Sammy Frankolata, Oscar Goodman, you know, Phil Leonetti, Ralph Natal, there's a lot of them. You're definitely going to love this. But if you're somebody that's also...
a person who fancies with movies like Godfather or Goodfellas or Power Plays or Strategies or Communication, he's going to make a case to you where for the last two hours, you're going to think you're sitting down with a lawyer making an argument. The question is, do you buy it or do you find some leaks in his argument? You will be the judge of that. Having said that, here's my three-and-a-half-hour sit-down with John Gotti Jr.
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