John Gotti Jr

and they all hit him on the back and told him, good luck, good luck, I hope it works out for you? I don't think that happened, right? You don't think that happened, right?

and they all hit him on the back and told him, good luck, good luck, I hope it works out for you? I don't think that happened, right? You don't think that happened, right?

Okay.

Okay.

Well, I guess the 70 families he destroyed, 57 people he put in jail, 70 people he destroyed. I guess the children, the women that were widowed, basically, in essence, for life had empty beds and their children on Christmas and holidays with no father and so on. He didn't do any of that stuff. But here's my point that I'm getting at.

Well, I guess the 70 families he destroyed, 57 people he put in jail, 70 people he destroyed. I guess the children, the women that were widowed, basically, in essence, for life had empty beds and their children on Christmas and holidays with no father and so on. He didn't do any of that stuff. But here's my point that I'm getting at.

It's interesting for you, Pat, because the government called me a rat. The government called me a rat. the most tried man in the history of America. No man, no accused organized crime member was ever tried more than me. Look it up. Find those statistics. Got a great technology guy right here, technologist right here. Look it up. See, I've been indicted in my life nine times.

It's interesting for you, Pat, because the government called me a rat. The government called me a rat. the most tried man in the history of America. No man, no accused organized crime member was ever tried more than me. Look it up. Find those statistics. Got a great technology guy right here, technologist right here. Look it up. See, I've been indicted in my life nine times.

I went to trial eight times. Never lost a trial. I went to prison one time because I pled guilty. But in 37 months, from stop to start, I was indicted five times. Five federal proceedings. From the beginning to the end, culminating with me facing the debt penalty, which the government, when I won the motion and we moved from Pinellas County, Florida to New York, they opted not to charge me.

I went to trial eight times. Never lost a trial. I went to prison one time because I pled guilty. But in 37 months, from stop to start, I was indicted five times. Five federal proceedings. From the beginning to the end, culminating with me facing the debt penalty, which the government, when I won the motion and we moved from Pinellas County, Florida to New York, they opted not to charge me.

And I dared them to pursue the debt charge because they had to give me a free defense. They would have had to give me a $2 million budget to defend myself. I dared them to charge me the debt penalty. They dropped it. And I was broke at that point. So my lawyers had to work on oil and gas. I had to keep things moving. And I had to pay those bills eventually.

And I dared them to pursue the debt charge because they had to give me a free defense. They would have had to give me a $2 million budget to defend myself. I dared them to charge me the debt penalty. They dropped it. And I was broke at that point. So my lawyers had to work on oil and gas. I had to keep things moving. And I had to pay those bills eventually.

But still, we remedied the case, but yet they had the audacity because of a 40-minute meeting that I had with them that according to their cooperators, now think about this for a second, I told you.

But still, we remedied the case, but yet they had the audacity because of a 40-minute meeting that I had with them that according to their cooperators, now think about this for a second, I told you.

Sammy Gravano never went to all these different personalities and told these personalities that I'm thinking about going and becoming a cooperator and tomorrow morning I'm going to be debriefed, tomorrow. Wish me luck, guys, right? Well, according, I did that meeting. I did a meeting for 40 minutes. Took two attorneys with me, two attorneys. When you met with the Fed. Fed. And that's where?

Sammy Gravano never went to all these different personalities and told these personalities that I'm thinking about going and becoming a cooperator and tomorrow morning I'm going to be debriefed, tomorrow. Wish me luck, guys, right? Well, according, I did that meeting. I did a meeting for 40 minutes. Took two attorneys with me, two attorneys. When you met with the Fed. Fed. And that's where?

An agent. Right. An agent and a prosecutor and an assistant prosecutor at the courthouse. I went to that meeting. I called for that meeting. I did it. I orchestrated it. Not my lawyers, not them. I did it. I said, I want to meet with them. My lawyer said to me, what do you want to do? You just make the meeting. You just make the meeting.

An agent. Right. An agent and a prosecutor and an assistant prosecutor at the courthouse. I went to that meeting. I called for that meeting. I did it. I orchestrated it. Not my lawyers, not them. I did it. I said, I want to meet with them. My lawyer said to me, what do you want to do? You just make the meeting. You just make the meeting.

He says, no, no, John, you just make, I pay you, you don't pay me. Make the meeting. I know what I'm doing here. I got this. Don't worry about it. I said, John, if you're going to become a rat, please let me know so I can get out of here. He said, just make the meeting. I got this. Okay?

He says, no, no, John, you just make, I pay you, you don't pay me. Make the meeting. I know what I'm doing here. I got this. Don't worry about it. I said, John, if you're going to become a rat, please let me know so I can get out of here. He said, just make the meeting. I got this. Okay?