John Greene

And that's where it sits.

Yeah, it's interesting.

Well, I've been to Punchestown.

I've been to Punchestown over the years.

I haven't been for a while.

It is a fantastic experience.

I've been to... Lanford GA have been running a fundraiser there for years, and one of the first to do it, and it's now taken off.

It's a real part of the Punxsutawney experience.

That was on the Tuesday, and over across the week, clubs and county boards.

It's a fantastic day at Punxsutawney.

No, no, no.

I have a good friend who has no interest in racing and he was a foot GA man coach all his life and I think he got involved in a couple of little syndicates in his late 60s and he absolutely adores it now and it's all flat and it's really affordable.

Small little amounts of money that he's putting into it but one of them brought him all the way to Santa Anita two years ago.

I mean, that's the stinker of a race.

But, you know, what you're saying is true.

The other thing which I thought about horse racing just before you wrap it up was that part of the problem for horse racing is that...

It's very insular in ways and how it views itself.

And when, you know, for Noel, you know, we see his point, but there's a dark side to the world of racing as well, which we dip our toes into every now and again in the media, which the sport and its kind of people don't like.

And it's like, well, you know, what would you know?

There's a kind of a defensive, and often there's a wall that goes up around it.