John Greene

But presumably he still gets paid, though.

They're all still getting paid.

Let's do a deep dive on what this guy thinks.

Because he sounds like he could be from anywhere.

Oh God.

Before I knew about that clip, because I don't follow golf as closely as you do.

I was about to say to you, Graham kind of gets a bit of a hard time, doesn't he?

Sometimes he does get a hard time, but then... And then the clip comes along and... Yeah, but it's strange.

Even with the NBA thing you're talking about, you know, they still, even if it's...

Yeah, I would, because Dan knows more about horse racing than you or I do.

But, you know, from a media perspective, I think horse racing is always an interesting subject because if you're to do, like, what does it...

What does it mean to do a podcast about Punches 10?

Okay, so if you're going to Punches 10 or you're following Punches 10 and there's a podcast about Punches 10, if it's not a podcast telling you what horses to back that day, it's not one that's of huge interest to you in the here and now.

And I find horse racing content interesting.

that when you're a non-specialist media, which is what we are, we cover all sports, you know, in comparison to the racing media, which does incredible work.

Our job in what you do in the podcast and then in what we do on the other side of the house in the online and print and that sort of stuff is to try and find interesting people and interesting stories and tell those stories when we can.

So if you're getting Davey Russell in for an interview or whoever you've had over the years, a few of them,

they're excellent podcasts because you're talking to really interesting people with a really interesting life experience.

But a horse racing podcast about Pontiestown that's not a tipping podcast, where does that sit?

Yeah, okay, maybe it should come up more often in this kind of setting.