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John Gruber

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

There are, Apple does not make games.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

People spend an enormous amount of time playing games on their phone.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

And there's an enormous amount of money to be made by selling in-app purchases in mobile games.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

Apple is one of the most profitable gaming companies in the world.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

maybe the most, I don't know if you did the math.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

I'm not quite sure how you would figure that out.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

And they don't break down services revenue by gaming.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

But they're certainly one of the most dominant and profitable game companies in the world by making no games at all.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

They just have the app store.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

And with AI, I think they're trying to carve out this middle ground where their own branded Apple intelligence is never going to be as adept as the leading edge models, because the leading edge models are going to answer questions that Apple would consider inappropriate to be answered.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

And they are going to help you do things that Apple would consider

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

inappropriate for an Apple branded product to help you do, right?

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

There are lines far short of deep fake porno imagery.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

There's lines far short of that that Apple is not going to want their own thing to cross.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

and that's the role of these extensions for chachi bt and gemini and uh claude where if you choose right if you want to stick with the apple branded stuff you're going to have a more limited ai experience and if you want more there's an extension system and they can wash their hands of it because that's not apple siri that's chachi bt or that's gemini or that's uh claude who's giving you that but

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

I really do think the whole thing is not going to get off the ground if those third parties, with the user's permission, don't have access to all that stuff on your phone, in your mail, in your notes, all of that stuff.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

Because if they don't, then they're going... And I think this is where it's an Apple's benefit, not just to get their 30% of the subscription revenue that you...

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

would pay by subscribing through your phone, through these extensions to get a plus or pro plan from one of those makers.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

And trust me, Apple wants that 30 or 15% from that subscription revenue.

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Blue Origin Explosion, Enterprise AI Hits Spending Limits, Dinosaur Market Booms | John Gruber, Ronak Malde, Zane Mountcastle, Jamie Cuffe, Kyle Kuzma, Brad Gerstner

But the other benefit to Apple for this is it will keep those companies integrating with