John Gruber

And I think the way that Apple is managing it, which is to leave Tim Cook as the person who has to, in Trump's words, kiss Trump's ass.

Yes, I know.

Right?

That is journalistically honest now.

I can say kiss his ass because Trump said it.

That's what's happening.

The thing I've been thinking about a lot is the Disney succession at the beginning of the pandemic when Bob Iger, quote unquote, left and turned over the company to Bob Chapek and then, by all accounts, spent all of his time systematically undermining and sabotaging everything Bob Chapek was trying to do.

I would say there's nothing about Tim Cook that suggests he would do that.

And there's nothing about the way this process has been run that suggests this was anything but Tim Cook's idea.

that like, and I think to a lot, to a large extent, like you mentioned this being a huge PR win, I think the way that this has sort of hit the world as smoothly as it has,

unbelievable win from Apple's perspective.

Like the stock market didn't freak out.

There was this sense of like, okay, we're going to give Tim Cook his flowers, but also isn't it cool that a product guy is going to be in charge again?

Like everybody managed to immediately be excited about the new guy without there being any kind of referendum on the Tim Cook legacy.

Like it's just in the sort of public eye.

No, it's slapping babies.

That's good.

I want to get into the specific products, but John, I do want to know your thoughts on that because I also suspect you disagree.

He seemed to enter, if anything, give, let Johnny Ive entertain his own version of that too much.

I think that like the, a bunch of the product, uh,